> If it isn’t going to warm a lot, arguments for change become less convincing. On the other hand there is a physical phenomenon which has a strong influence in the cooling of Earth’s surface. We had a botched reopening, and the predictable consequences are unfolding now. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities To understand why, you have to first know the difference between weather and climate. WIRED is where tomorrow is realized. Climate is more like a kaleidoscope – shake it up and a new pattern emerges – than a control knob with a linear gain. What is wrong with this more joined up system description please? The pandemic accelerated fundamental changes in consumer and social behavior, and this is matched by an acceleration and innovation by governments and businesses. Pls see, https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/07/16/the-internal-variability-issue/, Reblogged this on Tallbloke's Talkshop and commented: Although the amount of energy coming from the sun does vary and may have been responsible for warming in the past, however, NASA and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) have ruled this out as a cause of the current warming trend. By the time it ends, 2020 will go down as one of three warmest years on record, despite a La Nina cooling of the central Pacific that often lowers temperatures globally, the WMO report said. Pingback: New confirmation that climate models overstate atmospheric warming - Self-Reliance Central, Pingback: Climate Models | Transterrestrial Musings, Pingback: Ross McKitrick: New Confirmation That Climate Models Overstate Atmospheric Warming - The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF). But in some parts of the world it is less than this and some more. The new theory says that climate change occurs as discrete jumps in the system. I see it coming. Investors need to respond to the new realities. But when there is a need for significant change that people are broadly aware of, it can sometimes lead to results in elections that lead to a change in policies. You could tell me what the Buddhists say. But there is a newly minted attempt to correct the faulty data. If it isn’t going to warm a lot, arguments for change become less convincing. Though there have been previous periods of climatic change, since the mid-20th century the rate of human impact on Earth's climate system and the global scale of that impact have been unprecedented. We ignore the physics of the Rankine Cycle at our peril. Cracked record says, why do we care? It's true that the resistance is often ferocious, but those resisting have the burden of the reality against them. You just keep raising the effective height of emission. In order to limit global temperature rise to no more than 1.5 degrees Celsius, greenhouse gas emissions need to fall by roughly 7.5 percent per year for the next decade. this was from last year, in case anyone hadn’t read it yet, https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2019GL085782. Philip, can you help me understand the implications of that slide deck as far as my question goes? This model predicts atmospheric warming roughly 7 times larger than observed trends. I’d like to know why the insolation is highest at the poles at such obliquity, CMIP5 models warmed too much over the sea surface and too much in the tropical troposphere. https://anchor.fm/james-mcginn/episodes/The-religion-that-science-has-become-and-the-realization-of-vortice-plasma-ehrkj3 And if I'm hearing that correctly, when you look at that, what is that timeline for you? When melting the sea ice gets thinner from the warmer atmosphere’s side. The last sentence may explain IChemE’s fervent catastrophism. What if it might warm a lot? Is the dominant feedback in the “models”? AG: Yes, I believe that is the case. Well, as even NASA know, the NEGATIVE feedback to SST change from water vapour is 100W/m^2 in evaporation and latent heat release, and 50W/m^2 from cloud albedo that the evaporation produces. You are correct. AR: It struck me as you were talking about that—as you called it—glib phrase the “Great Awokening” that while people are more and more aware of these things that need to get changed, at the same time, there's more resistance. Isn’t using a 1998-2014 interval cherry picking? How could we have looked the other way and not been more focused on changing that? Publish op-eds after op-eds, in right-wing rags or Freedom Fighter think tanks” The mesh size is not sufficiently small to accurately approximate the continuum solution even if the correct dynamical system were being used. Learn about the impact and consequences of climate change and global warming for the environment and our lives. of clouds. Internal variability alone would cause this period to experience warming in reality than climate models would suggest. The Hydro Cycle operates as a Rankine Cycle and is responsible for the transfer of large energies (694Watthrs/sq,m) up through the atmosphere and to space irrespective of CO2 levels. Back in 2005 in the first report of the then-new US Climate Change Science Program, Karl et al. This seems the most suitable venue for angech’s biweekly Arctic update: https://GreatWhiteCon.info/2020/09/facts-about-the-arctic-in-september-2020/. Climate skeptics have conflated the two for years, for example, pointing to cold winter weather as proof that global warming is a hoax, most likely to play on people's confusion about the two. And the business community is seeing that the opportunity for more sustainable profits and more job creation, by going in a green recovery direction, is the way we should go. 1. assume “cherry picking” in the selected timespan of the paper in question The results stayed the same. We want to continue to produce an excellent Golden without suffering the constraints of global warming, and to do this, we need to adopt a modern approach in … Polar bears could become nearly extinct by the end of the century as a result of shrinking sea ice in the Arctic if global warming continues unabated, scientists said Monday. And the sea ice is a snow covered sea ice with emissivity ε = 0,8. https://www.thermoworks.com/emissivity-table. That takes a few hundred years in modern times and thousands of years for major past cycles and none are considering internal factors as being important. Can we stop climate change and how will innovation help? They want to tell their friends and peers and family that it's not just about money; they're helping in a more general way to move the world in the right direction. Climate Theory does not properly consider water in all of its states and does not properly consider the changing of states. Venus has no ocean whereas the Earth’s surface is mostly water. The criteria for the use of models in attribution are that they are capable of correctly simulating climate. Global warming found to give rise to earlier springs contributing to drier summers Jan 06, 2020 Greening at high latitudes may inhibit the expansion of midlatitude deserts Thank you, Jim Hunt. In fact most of the four page draft position statement is nothing but a strategic plan for cashing in on the unwarranted fear of human caused catastrophic climate change. In order to calculate atmospheric warming one has to use Φ = 0,47. Second and third coats reduce very little more. The sun is almost at Zenith there. And when the Antarctic opens up, there will be a lot of land for both utilizing and preserving. Φ – is the dimensionless solar irradiation accepting factor … I guess I wonder if climate change is destined to always take a backseat even as all of these events are intertwined. Since you’re here, I wonder what you make of the conclusions of this recent learned journal article? And if both El Nino events had been included in the time frame, observed warming would have been more. This basically means that the members are invited to submit comments. Will that do as a control? By Paul Voosen Feb. 5, 2020 , 2:00 PM. I haven’t seen ANYONE who can say whetherbit isn’t (or is) going to warm a lot. That this analysis has not done so makes the present draft what CLINTEL calls an embarrassing “me-too” position statement. Some of that is even driven by overt disinformation via the internet, some by the politics that you say you're recovering from. It is this error that leads you to calculate an expected surface temperature that is much too low. What is result? Great work ! There does not seem to be any new physical findings to justify this, so why it has happened is a mystery. are finally headed in the directions he was hoping for. look at the surface, troposphere and stratosphere over the tropics (20N to 20S). The time frame used, was one where there should be traction. It is a negative feedback. The warming winter … The open sea waters have emissivity ε = 0,95. As long as models bake in that Co2 causes warming, they will continue to be wrong. Mitchell et al also did this and report no change in results. John and I look at the tropical and global lower- and mid- troposphere. The chilled water was chilled by thawing ice that contacted warm tropical ocean currents. It continues to amaze me that this simple fact has been obscured for 40 years. Why didn’t you publish my results on the news, especially as you reviewed my manuscript. Thank you for engaging. and Then There’s Physics: The key thing to bear in mind is that the authors had to choose some future emission scenarios, which then produced a change in forcing, which then led to the change in surface temperature. Runaway ice feedbacks drive the transitions between glacial and interglacial states seen repeatedly over the past 2.58 million years. B) The police are completely deluded with respect to the actual factors that drive muggings. The theme of the conference is “Alarming Signs of Global Warming!! Let me just say a couple of other things, Adam. The vertical “fingerprint” of GHG in models is warming in the troposphere and cooling in the stratosphere. Inequality. Feedback refers to the modification of a process by changes resulting from the process itself. Yes, there will probably be some short-term and long-term benefits from global warming. Being an amateur in this matters I did as much research online as I could to see if later studies confirmed the increasing water vapor portion of the theory. maybe 35 years isn’t long enough It will be interesting to read any responses by Church of Climatology members (radical progressives) regarding these peer-reviewed papers. Climate change includes both the global warming driven by human emissions of greenhouse gases, and the resulting large-scale shifts in weather patterns. the ones being used for the next IPCC report, and compare model outputs to post-1979 observations. How to explain that climate models are based on the wrong atmospheric dynamical system of equations, violate the requirements of numerical analysis, use excessive dissipation, and have unresolved and questionable physical parameterizations? While we cannot stop global warming overnight, or even over the next several decades, we can slow the rate and limit the amount of global warming by reducing human emissions of heat-trapping gases and soot (“black carbon”). Aljo1816, We also ran the results extending the data to 2018 by including some scenario forcings for 2015-2018. Philip, The papers are Mitchell et al. Philip, that does not address the question of whether there might be an error or bias in the radiosonde data, does it? Click to access 284c921d0194a443411db7a63772b659a79c.pdf, Cheers! But the angle of incidence is 60° + 23,439° = 83,439° Natural process isn’t going to do this, but it could be done. We need to incorporate sustainability values in the ways in which we measure and compensate for value in our economy. 6. This model predicts atmospheric warming roughly 7 times larger than observed trends. And we have had, for all of that time, a conviction that the world was moving in this direction. We keep waiting. Good job. Fighting climate change: Cheaper than 'business as usual' and better for the economy; 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #48; 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47; Media reaction: Boris Johnson’s ‘10-point’ net-zero plan for climate change; Skeptical Science New Research for Week #47, 2020 Al1816 The climate system uses water in all of its abundant states. The blog post and the two papers (so far as I’ve read) seem to claim that 1. is correct, but without much justification. This has all been documented in my peer reviewed manuscript accepted long before yours that has been discussed on this site and on WUWT. “Today, what’s normal was … ... and therefore better able to reflect sunlight. The Earth is getting warmer at a faster rate than ever. “The relationship between temperature and CO2,” according to Dr. Timothy Ball, “is like painting a window black to block sunlight. This is not very meaningful since the patterns will be wrong and thus ECS will be wrong too. Maybe, but it doesn’t matter. Data first Model second – Science The purpose of the analysis is to establish the minimum irreducible criteria for a climate model. First without considering any cooling {or warming] effect. Whyever would you do that? Provable science needs human intelligence and scientific method applied using proven physical laws and relationships. This is the overall lapse rate to space that varies the SST, sure. On the nighttime side of the model a bias in favour of radiation loss to space causes the model to cool. IChemE has been conducting what it calls a consultation on its draft Position Statement on Climate Change. The area of an El Nino, height times width, has an impact, but it’s not overwhelming to the average. Now weaknesses and preparedness and the capacity to respond to this crisis have relevance beyond health care, because it is triggering a new awareness of the need for change and improvements in social safety nets in the role of essential workers. just doesn't work! In terms of “real” global temperature {the temperature of the entire ocean which currently is about 3.5 C] humans are massively warming Earth- but only doing for a few years. That's what people want, and our findings show very clearly that these attitudes have changed dramatically all around the world. That’s why they’re called “projections” rather than “predictions”. I will say that the pandemic has actually accelerated those changes, and I think that the pandemic is also driving people to take these sustainability factors into account in the planning for a post-pandemic world. Our climate scientist oracles have said chaos is coming and answered with chaos. So I just want to ask you to make the connection between an investment fund and the policy and structural changes that seem likely to be necessary. Planting Trees Is Good, But Cutting Emissions Is Better. Does a cold winter mean that global warming is over? Any other thoughts on this possibility?” Much like rioting in Portland is described as a peaceful protest by the Left even as the city burns and a secessionist leader assassinates a political adversary in the streets, the global warming establishment of Western academia predicts ever hotter days ahead, even as British senior citizens are forced to burn books to stay warm in cold winters. In the near future, as global temperatures inch up, bats will continue to be protected by their body heat, while the pathogens they carry are better able to harm us. Now he says all our crises are speeding us toward real solutions. But that denies the inevitability of the change of chaos. How do you propose that people essentially care about these dual crises right now? Opportunities and least energy paths will become apparent. There still seems to be no new “Week in review – Science” thread, and comments on the old one are now closed. Canada has adopted one of the world’s most perfect global warming policies- ineffective but costly demands for Canadians coupled with an aggressive effort to ship the dirtiest possible fossil fuels to China (the oil sands). So i will correct the: “And the Arctic region insolation is very poor even in the summer”. There has been a flurry of recent papers that are more honest. or trying to goose upward (green energy! Your source attribution (Ghil, 2013) is a bit cryptic. :). But I have seen no investigation of this. “Water vapour in the atmosphere ranges from 8 to 50,000 parts per million .In the tropics it will be in the higher range so the marginal warming effect of a rise in CO2 from 280 to 400 parts will be much less in the tropics. Adam Rogers: Implicit in Generation’s strategy of investing in growth-stage companies is some basic confidence you must have that a venture capital investment model is a way to push innovation. Mitchell et al. The numerical method is accurate and stable and of sufficiently fine resolution to accurately approximate the continuum solution. I did not claim the obs data is perfect. Current CO2 levels are like the first coat of black paint.”. A good question. The young say to the old, “agree to believe and support our climate agenda – we’ll know if you’re pretending – or we’ll give you coronavirus. And Al Gore Is ... Optimistic? Access to health care!) More proof that IPCC encourages (even mandates) the use of climate models which produce climate warming estimates at up to 7x observed data. I was just curious if anyone was aware of any “pay walled” research that supports Charney’s theory. 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